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		<title>Alternative Vote &#8211; fairer winners are only sometimes different winners</title>
		<link>http://www.paulgregory.co.uk/blog/2011/04/21/alternative-vote-fairer-winners-are-only-sometimes-different-winners/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Big Questions]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[alternative vote]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[(Time to dust off this under-used blog, because some things need more than 140 characters.) I&#8217;m been getting increasingly angry at the crap spouted by the No camp ahead of May&#8217;s referendum on improving the voting system. Their latest argument &#8230; <a href="http://www.paulgregory.co.uk/blog/2011/04/21/alternative-vote-fairer-winners-are-only-sometimes-different-winners/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Time to dust off this under-used blog, because some things need more than 140 characters.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m been getting increasingly angry at the crap spouted by the No camp ahead of May&#8217;s referendum on improving the voting system.</p>
<p>Their latest argument could be summed up as &#8220;It&#8217;s not fair if the person who wins the first round doesn&#8217;t win the match.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, in First Past The Post (FPTP), there is only one round. The candidate with the most votes wins.</p>
<p>But the two points of AV are<br />
a) voters can rank candidates in order of preference<br />
b) the winner needs 50% of votes</p>
<p>Any system with a guaranteed first-round winner would effectively be the same as FPTP:<br />
a) voters can vote for one candidate only<br />
b) the winner needs the highest number of votes</p>
<p>So, BECAUSE the first-round winner isn&#8217;t necessarily the winner, AV has<br />
a) greater opportunity for voters to vote for their real first preference<br />
b) a better match win condition</p>
<p>However, this does NOT mean that the first-round winner never wins the match.</p>
<p>If a candidate gets 50% of first preferences in the first round, there is only one round and the first-round winner wins.<br />
A natural consequence of this is that if there are only two candidates, there is only one round and the first-round winner wins.</p>
<p>If the win condition hasn&#8217;t been met, there is a further round, in which the last-placed candidate is eliminated and any second preferences are added to the other candidates.</p>
<p>It is by this process that someone other than the person who won the first round might win &#8211; it won&#8217;t always, because these preferences could just as easily go to the first round winner &#8211; but sometimes it will. </p>
<p>If AV didn&#8217;t *sometimes* give a different result, there would be no point changing to it, would there?</p>
<p>AV will only ever give a different result in situations where the first-round winner was not a fair winner. Without a true 50%+ majority, a first-round winner has not got enough proven support. The second preference counting is not about justifying the first-round winner&#8217;s legitimacy, it&#8217;s about finding the legitimate winner. Which might be the first-round winner.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all just the vote *counting* side of things. Because voting preferences are being counted, voters no longer need to discount their true first preference if they fear it would be a wasted vote. Instead of trying to guess how everyone else will vote, they can trust the system to sort that out. No more wasted votes, no more split votes.</p>
<p>It may take a while for everyone to grasp this, but the fact that the first-round winner might not win the match means that people can vote differently in the first-round than they do today. That might even mean that candidates from parties that don&#8217;t feature well in national polls or in historic data will get enough first preference votes to win in the first round. So everyone&#8217;s happy.</p>
<p>Different winners? Sometimes. Fairer winners? Always.</p>
<p>Should the person who wins the first round win a match, or the person in the lead in the last round after eliminations?</p>
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		<title>Carcassonne for iPhone</title>
		<link>http://www.paulgregory.co.uk/blog/2010/08/03/carcassonne-for-iphone/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[games]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[iphone]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m loving the Carcassonne app for iPhone/iPod touch, although the &#8220;your move&#8221; alert when the app is closed still scares the crap out of me every time I hear it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m loving the <a href="http://clk.tradedoubler.com/click?p=23708&#038;a=1084338&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fitunes.apple.com%2Fgb%2Fapp%2Fcarcassonne%2Fid375295479%3Fmt%3D8%26uo%3D4%26partnerId%3D2003">Carcassonne app</a> for iPhone/iPod touch, although the &#8220;your move&#8221; alert when the app is closed still scares the crap out of me every time I hear it.</p>
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		<title>Hello world!</title>
		<link>http://www.paulgregory.co.uk/blog/2010/06/18/hello-world/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
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